Dyno day

[f150phule]

Taking the truck to Chandlers on the 29th to get some baseline dyno runs. $75 for 3 pulls. I estimate I'll get about 145-155rwhp. Tried to setup a dyno session with SHM in Woodstock but they never called me back. Since they are mostly a 4.6L mustang shop they didn't sound to thrilled when I mentioned what vehicle I wanted to put on the dyno.

When I get some hard numbers I'll post em and the dyno sheets if they give em to me.

[fordtough.ca]

Lucky you my truck is AWD
:icon_cry:

[Smokefan]

Should be interesting, good luck.

[white4by4]

If nothing is going on maybe i'll come watch. I know the owner John and his top mechanic/tuner Alec is a personal friend of mine.:icon_biggrin:

[f150phule]

Lucky you my truck is AWD
:icon_cry:

Yeah but yours is nicer looking..or is that ricer looking :icon_lol:

[f150phule]

Thanks Smoke.
Well if you wanna drop by W4x4 the appointment is for 10 AM on the 29th.
Will having weight in the back of the truck affect the numbers? I can always just take the stuff out and put it back when its done.

[Coruptyed]

Yeah but yours is nicer looking..or is that ricer looking :icon_lol:

o no he didnt lol

[Irish FX4]

Taking the truck to Chandlers on the 29th to get some baseline dyno runs. $75 for 3 pulls. I estimate I'll get about 145-155rwhp. Tried to setup a dyno session with SHM in Woodstock but they never called me back. Since they are mostly a 4.6L mustang shop they didn't sound to thrilled when I mentioned what vehicle I wanted to put on the dyno.

When I get some hard numbers I'll post em and the dyno sheets if they give em to me.

Hey f150phule,

Where is Chandlers? I need to get some dyno runs for my Troyer tunes so as he can dial them in and hopefully gain a few more rwh.:lol-0017:
Anybody no a dyno place near the Georgetown area?

[Smokefan]

^^^Steeda in Milton, ON maybe.

[tohi2care]

Taking the truck to Chandlers on the 29th to get some baseline dyno runs. $75 for 3 pulls. I estimate I'll get about 145-155rwhp. Tried to setup a dyno session with SHM in Woodstock but they never called me back. Since they are mostly a 4.6L mustang shop they didn't sound to thrilled when I mentioned what vehicle I wanted to put on the dyno.

When I get some hard numbers I'll post em and the dyno sheets if they give em to me.


145-155hp is pretty low for a V6 isn't it? My 4 banger Prelude put 182hp to the wheels and that was stock.

[f150phule]

Chandlers is in London near the airport. Just google Chandler Technologies.
Steeda in Milton is prolly closest for you. There is also Da Silva racing in GTA.

[f150phule]

145-155hp is pretty low for a V6 isn't it? My 4 banger Prelude put 182hp to the wheels and that was stock.

Well depending on which site you go to the 97's came stock with somewhere between 202-210 HP at the motor. So if you factor in all the parasitic losses 145-155 should be close.
Besides I found a site where you can get a ballpark figure based on your 1/4 mile times and truck weight. I think I had a thread on here about this before, but based on my times and weight they came out to about 147rwhp.

[Irish FX4]

^^^Steeda in Milton, ON maybe.

Thanks smokefan.

I'll check them out!

[98nascartruck]

I am hoping one day to get my truck on a dyno to see how mine is before I do any major upgrades with the engine!!!!

[v8ranger]

sweet i might just have to stop by and see how well ya make out john an alec are great guys their

[Smokefan]

I am hoping one day to get my truck on a dyno to see how mine is before I do any major upgrades with the engine!!!!

If the interest is thier, I'll try and organize a club dyno day this summer.

[Disposable-Hero]

I would like to get my truck onto a dyno before I do any mods as well.
Early this summer would be good.

[f150phule]

I'd be up for that, Chandlers is charging me $75 for 3 pulls. I was planning on putting it on the dyno this summer after I put this years mods on it just to see how much I gained.

[3M TA3]

Well depending on which site you go to the 97's came stock with somewhere between 202-210 HP at the motor. So if you factor in all the parasitic losses 145-155 should be close.
Besides I found a site where you can get a ballpark figure based on your 1/4 mile times and truck weight. I think I had a thread on here about this before, but based on my times and weight they came out to about 147rwhp.


dont go expecting numbers you will be dissapointed if you dont get what you think you should have

[f150phule]

Well I dont really care what the numbers are I just want them so I have a point of comparison once I have the bolt ons installed. But like I said the 145-155 is just a guess and if I make that or more I'll be happy. I really doubt I'll make less than that.

[f150phule]

Ok dyno day results.

Best numbers were on the last pull.

173.8 rwhp 226.7 rwtq not bad for a tired v6.

Speed limiter kicked in a 112 mph.

I tried scanning the print out but my scanner is toast, just shows a totally black image.
I took some pics with the digi cam but the numbers are hard to read.
If some has a good scanner I could mail you the print out so you can scan it for me.

After talking with them for awhile I think I'll put the turbo idea on hold until I get a new motor or rebuild this one. They didnt recommend putting one on a motor as old as mine. they kinda hinted that a SIDO exhaust would give me better numbers that true duels. The tuner Alec said that if I go with a turbo I would only need 1 cat and no muffler just a resonater since the turbo would act as a muffler.

Anyway they seem impressed with the Hp from a tired stock v6.

[3M TA3]

good #'s for a V-6 :happy096:

[Northern Supercrew]

thanx for sharing that. i like seeing other folk's dyno numbers. can't wait to get mine done some day. pretty impressive, considering that the new 04-08 5.4 only dyno's around 205 hp stock from what i've read.

[fordtough.ca]

Very Nice
I wonder what actual for 5.4

[Coruptyed]

Ok dyno day results.

Best numbers were on the last pull.

173.8 rwhp 226.7 rwtq not bad for a tired v6.

Speed limiter kicked in a 112 mph.

I tried scanning the print out but my scanner is toast, just shows a totally black image.
I took some pics with the digi cam but the numbers are hard to read.
If some has a good scanner I could mail you the print out so you can scan it for me.

After talking with them for awhile I think I'll put the turbo idea on hold until I get a new motor or rebuild this one. They didnt recommend putting one on a motor as old as mine. they kinda hinted that a SIDO exhaust would give me better numbers that true duels. The tuner Alec said that if I go with a turbo I would only need 1 cat and no muffler just a resonater since the turbo would act as a muffler.

Anyway they seem impressed with the Hp from a tired stock v6.

thanks a lot paul very helpful for me ;)

[tohi2care]

thanx for sharing that. i like seeing other folk's dyno numbers. can't wait to get mine done some day. pretty impressive, considering that the new 04-08 5.4 only dyno's around 205 hp stock from what i've read.


Most posts I've read say about 260hp to the wheels.

Good numbers, I thought they would be around that mark.

[Northern Supercrew]

260? that's pretty good. it seems that they would lose more than 40 hp by the time it hits the rears. but i stand corrected. thanx.

[f150phule]

Ok ppl got the dyno graph scanned so that its readable.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj170/97xl/baselinedynorun.jpg

Enjoy.

[f150phule]

Yeah I wasn't expecting the numbers to be that high. I thought maybe if it got 160 I'd be really please but 173 I was kinda stunned. I asked him to check the numbers to make sure he wasnt reading the torque by mistake.

[f150phule]

Well there seems to be some doubt about the validity of my numbers.

I posted them on another forum and the flaming has begun.

http://www.f150online.com/forums/showthread.php?t=321960

[Smokefan]

I've been holding back, but in my past experiences with them their Dyno is not accurate. After all should a stalk run be more than what is advertised at the crank?

[white4by4]

but in my past experiences with them their Dyno is not accurate.

How so...???

[Smokefan]

How so...???

We got numbers that were off by 30hp+ compared to all other stock runs....

[white4by4]

There dyno and software is only 2 years old. I know in the begining they had issues getting everything set up and running right but i can't see them having issues now.:signs052:

[Smokefan]

Well it was over a year and a half ago.....

[white4by4]

That would make sense then.
They had Tim's(aka Cobranet) cobra and Alec's 77 Monza on the dyno for weeks getting everything sorted out.

But then again anything is possible.

[f150phule]

Well the 97 4.2L had, depending on which site you check, 202-210 hp at the crank so my numbers are > than that. I've been to multiple sites and some say 202 hp, some say 210??

My truck doesn't have a tach so they had to use this laser pointer thing on a stand placed under the truck. I wonder if that makes a difference?

[SKRWZ]

It was actually rated at 205 flywheel hosrepower

[f150phule]

:icon_lol: ok well I still don't come close to that yet.

[white4by4]

Well i was talking to my buddy today who works at Chandlers (Alec Swain) and he claims that all you non-believers better start believing because everything is running perfect with the dyno. Even he said he was impressed with the truck for the amount of K's and only being a V6.

Congrats on your Numbers. :happy096:

[white4by4]

It was actually rated at 205 flywheel hosrepower

Even at 205-210 HP if you minus 18% HP for drive train loss that still gives you 170 RWHP. So he is on the money.

[f150phule]

Sweet...ok I feel better now. If you don't mind I'm going to post your comments on the other forum where I'm getting flamed. Prolly just a bunch of jealous V8 guys :icon_lol:

[f150phule]

Got an email from Troyer this morning, the CAI, UDP, Xcal 3 w/canned tunes and serp. belts are on the way. Custom tunes should arrive mid-May. Looks like next weekend will be some fun wrench time, so once I get the parts if anyone wants to give me a hand, and I could use some, then the beer and pizza is on me :icon_lol:

And big a thanks goes out to Matt and the whole sig team for a great job on my new sig.

[f150phule]

Ok I'm kinda pissed at UPS. I got the invoice from Troyer today but they shipped the parts on the 8th and "apparently" UPS tried to deliver them today. Funny I've been home all day and the phone never rang for the door buzzer and my balcony is directly above the main door so I would hear it if a truck pulled up. So now I have to wait till Monday.

[Smokefan]

You got til 6 tonight to pick up from their wharehouse

[Coruptyed]

You got til 6 tonight to pick up from their wharehouse

ya they should have left a paper on your door or on the ground in between your doors, they did that to me but i caught them on the way out before they took it, the sticker read the location, time they tried to deliver, and time to pick it up before they ship it back or charge me storage fees.

[Bush_aholic]

I get that with UPS alot it's usually a day or two after the actual delivery date even if the tracking status says delivered. I have had SOME luck with UPS when I call them...if you call and ask what's going on and give them your tracking number they can usually tell you your new delivery date, make sure you talk to a person, no punch in your number stuff

[Smokefan]

If you call the London terminal direct they will set aside cause they unload the trucks everynight

[f150phule]

I didnt have time to get them today, I called UPS and told them to tell the depot to leave it off the truck and I'll get it Monday. The guy at UPS gave me the address of the depot but refused to give me the phone number. Told me there is no phone number. I said well the how the hell you you get in touch with them? corporate dumbass. so looks like next weekend will be wrench time. They needed to be buzzed into the building and since my phone never rang I dont think the guy was here. They left no indication they were ever here.

[f150phule]

Ok got my go fast(er) parts this morning. The CAI, serp. belts, UDP, Xcal 3, even got 2 Troyer window decals. Hope the weather is nice this weekend so I can install them.

[Smokefan]

How much horsepower do you get from the decals?

[Coruptyed]

How much horsepower do you get from the decals?

if you put them on the back windows maybe 5 hp, but on the front window that creates downforce and will get upwards to 7

[f150phule]

Well the Fordtough decal gave me 10 so I figure since these are smaller I should get about 3-5 ea. :icon_lol:

[f150phule]

Well got the CAI,UDP and new drive belt installed today. We were in a rush cuz my friend got called in to work so no pics but I'll take some in the morning. Just a slight whistling noise when cruising but you dont hear it with the radio on. But when you get on it....whooo...nice deep tone...almost makes me thinks its a v8. Much better accel and super easy to pass now, don't use near as much throttle as before. Usually going up the escarpment in Hamilton it used to seem laggy going up unless I really stepped on it...now..zipped up it doing 120 with ease. Didn't have time to mess with the Xcal 3 yet but I'll do that tomorrow. Only had one issue, one of the A/C lines from the waterpump rubs against the bottom of the elbow just in front of the TB. Just used a piece of the old drive belt as a buffer and held in place with a zip tie. Didn't want to try bend the line in case it kinked. The part of the line that is rubbing is just where the rubber line attaches to the metal line. All in all I'm happy with the mod, now just need to make an airbox for it to make a true CAI.

[f150phule]

Ok got some pics. The third pic of the CAI you can see the rubber pad I've had to install until I can find time to bend that A/C line down a bit so it doesn't rub against the intake tube.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj170/97xl/af1-1.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj170/97xl/af1-2.jpg

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj170/97xl/af1-3.jpg

This is the UDP we installed, its a tad out of focus, sorry.

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj170/97xl/udp.jpg


Used the programmer to check for DTC codes, none :icon_biggrin:

But I cant even use the canned tunes for 2 reasons. 1) The latest tune file from SCT keeps giving me an error when trying to upload it from my laptop to the programmer and 2) Stupid SCT don't even offer canned tunes for the 4.2L unless its an 04+. Will have to call them Monday.

[Dank_44]

i'm thinking of getting the UDP. Any problems with a/c, p/s? noticable increase?

[f150phule]

Well I haven't run the a/c yet so I cant comment on that but so far no issues. Some definite increases though. Much better acceleration, easier to pass and its not as laggy going up steep hills. Also the idle rpms are lower. You'll need to get a new drive belt too since the one you have now will be too long. What year/motor you have? If its the 97-98 4.2L I can give you the part# of the belts I got, if its a 99+ 4.2L you'll need a different UDP than mine. Then 99+ I think has an idler bearing mounted with the crank? Not sure though, but the place I bought mine from the 99 UDP is about $100 more than the 97-98 UDP.

[Dank_44]

i have a 97 with 4.2L. Debating between pulley from troyer or aspracing. ASP is a bit cheaper but i hear customer service is great at troyer in which i don't mind paying a bit extra.

[f150phule]

Well the pulley from Troyer is an ASP pulley. I just checked my invoice and thats what it said. You need to count the number of pulleys you have, its either 7 or 8 cuz when you buy the pulley you need to get a new drive belt since the old will be too long. If you call Troyer make sure you tell them how many pulleys so you get the right part. For my truck is was this one http://www.troyerperformance.com/cgi-bin/ppistore.pl?user_action=detail&catalogno=4061020

I know its says for the 5.4 V8 but if you read more it says its also for ANY truck that needs a 102" belt.

I got their Stage 1 Kit for the 97-98 4.2L minus the cat back system since it would cost a lot more to ship it.

http://www.troyerperformance.com/cgi-bin/ppistore.pl?user_action=detail&catalogno=Stage1-FV6

I asked them to put in the Xcal 3 rather than the 2 since they are the same price. Its a good price but if you live in ON you'll have to pay the taxes + broker fee from UPS, thats who they ship with, cost me an extra $188 to get my parts from UPS.